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Heathers |
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Kobra Kai: Heathers
#5: Fatal Attraction
Venkman: Heathers
Noonan: Fatal Attraction-> changed vote to Heathers
William Springer
8:57
yay
where is our other
tuckered out from drinking vodka?
plaverty12
8:57
sleeping?
secctash
8:57
i got kcshhes
William Springer
8:58
i got some rum
plaverty12
8:58
will ... why i should i have liked heathers more?
William Springer
9:00
well
I thought my main argument was pretty eloquent
you make some valid points
but really, it's just a thriller, and a fairly unremarkable one at that
secctash
9:00
i like how pl made valid points and i have a brain tumor and you want to murder me
William Springer
9:01
I honestly think the "scariness" is overplayed, although yes, the rabbit scene has become memorable
well, you brought in Donnie Darko and were going to talk about your duct tape wallet
and I disagree with PL, but he's a wordsmith, so I generally like reading his arguments better
plaverty12
9:02
do you think that because we are more desensitized to violence, sex, etc. .... that to us, 20 years later, it's just a thriller .. but to the original audience it was extremely racy
... and if so, is that something to take into account?
William Springer
9:03
eh, we'll hit that with Basic Instinct
if I could only remember who was in the movie
dang.
who was the male lead in that
I mean...that's gotta make the 90s bracket right?!
oh....WOW ITS MICHAEL FUCKIN DOUGLAS
plaverty12
9:04
very true .... post these roles are all post-FA
William Springer
9:04
man, if only he had made more movies where the power dynamic is switched...it's like he has a control fetish
OH WAIT DISCLOSURE
WITH DEMI MOORE
plaverty12
9:04
if FA was the repeater, then i think that's valid ... but as the original, not sure i buy that argument.
William Springer
9:05
Well, maybe the movie has lost some of it's luster
since he's reprised that role 2000 times, but you're saying original is best
plaverty12
9:05
I agree with that.
William Springer
9:05
then wouldn't "Play Mistie For Me" be the standard?
plaverty12
9:05
And I don't think FA is great by any means, I just think it was, and is, a better movie than heathers
William Springer
9:05
I mean...Clint Eastwood!
and a crazy chick
plaverty12
9:05
i think you distort what i say a bit.
William Springer
9:06
I don't think it's representative of it's decade any more than any other of these thrillers i'm throwing about
is my point
Heathers, is very very 80s
plaverty12
9:06
i don't necessarily buy heathers as 80s.
secctash
9:06
i think wall street is 80s
William Springer
9:06
weisel go play with your blocks
secctash
9:06
yes sir
plaverty12
9:07
and are we finding the best 80s movies or the best movies of the 80s ... or a combination of both
William Springer
9:07
I think Christian Slater and Winona just by themselves, are about as 80s as it gets
we said we're not constrained
you're just using a different, but no less valid rubric I suppose...but I am partial to movies that capture the je nais se qua (spelling?) of the decade
plaverty12
9:09
i understand ... and i think that is a big factor
William Springer
9:09
but to me, fatal attraction is not particularly ground breaking (I'm serious, have you seen Play Misty For Me?) and it's been repeated ad nauseum
plaverty12
9:09
i just think ... having actually entered high school in the 80s that heathers doesn't really capture the 80s per se
William Springer
9:10
woah did you just play the age card?
plaverty12
9:10
there are bit parts in there
i did
how could i not?
William Springer
9:10
well, I won't speak to that argument, I think that it's not very relevant, I mean I was nascent in the 80s
secctash
9:11
also, i watched most of these movies in the 90s on tv
William Springer
9:11
even though yes, you entered highschool in 88 or somethin
secctash
9:11
so same experience for us all i think
plaverty12
9:11
i mean, the only thing i really liked was winona's comment: "i don't like my friends." b/c that's exactly how i feel
the swatch watch was pretty 80s
secctash
9:12
i'll be perfectly honest, if will and bm get on a box and scream about heathers from the top of their lungs, i'll move to a no vote
William Springer
9:12
huh?
plaverty12
9:12
at the same time, you could say that fatal attraction was a statement regarding the swinging 70s and the prevelance of casual sex in the 80s
a no vote?
secctash
9:12
because progress is more important, and i believe neither movie goes far
William Springer
9:13
But couldn't you see Heathers as a lesson on 80s absentee parenting?
plaverty12
9:13
show some spine weisel
William Springer
9:13
where are the parents, except for Winona's?
plaverty12
9:13
we're just discussin things
secctash
9:13
i know, but i want to be open
plaverty12
9:13
i'm open.
secctash
9:13
i think in the supreme court some justices say they're on the fence
William Springer
9:13
I know, it's fun to argue about movies
secctash
9:13
i'm not moving there yet
William Springer
9:13
this is what we have to look forward to at dinners with our boring friends
for the rest of our lives
secctash
9:13
and yes, i think a move to an abstain is a real possibility
plaverty12
9:13
when you negogiate with the DA, do you tell them, you know, if you're loud about it, i'll just take the bullet
secctash
9:14
actually, yes
and vice versa
William Springer
9:14
another reason, is that if I'm gonna back michael douglas, I'm gonna back the best incarnation, which would be Gordon Gekko
plaverty12
9:14
obviously, wall street far outclasses fatal attraction
secctash
9:14
man i want a 90s, because the game MD is even better
plaverty12
9:14
but our votes shouldn't be affected by an entirely different matchup
just because MD advanced once, doesn't mean he can't again.
if it does, we're knocking tom cruise out a lot
William Springer
9:15
yeah, but you do have to pick movies, and I'm not that impressed by this one, a large part of which was Michael Douglas
and Tom Cruise is most likely going to be knocked out a lot
plaverty12
9:16
okay ... but that's different than saying he's better in wall street .. which is completely irrelevant here
secctash
9:16
my sticking point is still the same. we've seen a lot of anti-high school movies to this point, and i think all of us are guilty of putting that onto heathers a little, it isn't the best at what it's trying
William Springer
9:16
unless you think he has the best 80s persona ever
plaverty12
9:16
well, spuds mckenzie had the best 80s persona
William Springer
9:17
yeah but to me 80s movies with highschool represented so much is kinda well..."80s"
secctash
9:17
i don't deny that
William Springer
9:17
Just happened that you had the brat pack, you had ferris, etc...nothing wrong with it, we have a lot of highschool movies to watch
secctash
9:17
but ridgemont or BC will do that much bettter
3 ts
William Springer
9:17
thank god
I just had a heart attack
secctash
9:17
kschh's cousin "pourpourpour"
William Springer
9:18
I thought that Navy Seals was 80s.
it's 19990
1990
plaverty12
9:18
bulimia is so 1987.
secctash
9:18
slapshot was 70s, surprised me
plaverty12
9:19
i'm pretty sure that was you can't do that on television at the beginning of FA, which scored it some extra points with me.
secctash
9:19
it definitely was, i noticed that
AEllen watched it
plaverty12
9:19
It had a vagina
secctash
9:20
it had short hair
and i'm positive purposely ambiguous pronunciations of its name throughout
plaverty12
9:20
why?
for what purpose i mean
secctash
9:20
because gender is just a state of mind, man
William Springer
9:20
call her HiShi
plaverty12
9:20
you can come up with something better than that weisel
secctash
9:21
not with a .10 bac i can't
plaverty12
9:21
every decision in a film comes with a purpose
secctash
9:21
FYI: original ending had glen close winning
test audiences hated it
i like PL's comment at looking at the clock
will can you honestly say you were more closely grabbed by the screen with heathers?
plaverty12
9:23
i think i'd still like to hear more from WBS and also BM (we'll send him this beef i assume?) regarding the strength of heathers, as opposed to the weakness of FA.
William Springer
9:23
I don't know how much more I have to say?
secctash
9:23
this is my fear, we'll all talk, no one budges, then what?
William Springer
9:23
I've made, I think, a pretty solid case for why *I* think it moves on
plaverty12
9:23
stop fearing and just live.
secctash
9:24
i'm choosing life all over the place
i had brats for dinner and am drinking scotch
beat that
William Springer
9:24
haha
plaverty12
9:24
i'm drinking water and looking at a crate and barrel catalog
secctash
9:24
epee!
en guarde?
how come i feel like i'm trying to get attention while the adults are talking?
plaverty12
9:26
well, there's no rush on a decision ... obviously we should do it in the next couple days and try to get bladerunner/rasing AX voting done sunday or early next week ... but we have plenty of time to discuss.
William Springer
9:27
I'm just not sure how much we can discuss two movies
we have a record of all the opinions
people I guess can think about it
secctash
9:27
we could probably use a 200 word reasoning for bm
but i agree
plaverty12
9:28
yeah ... i'll think ... but right now, i'm with FA and stronger than before having thought since voting.
secctash
9:28
that's because i said you're barely
damn pl
plaverty12
9:28
no ... in discussing it, my conviction has grown.
secctash
9:29
so part of this discussion to come has to include how to handle ties
this is vote #2
plaverty12
9:29
it'll all work itself out
secctash
9:29
god damn you hippie pl
plaverty12
9:29
well, you're rushing the process to get an end result.
it's about the process, man.
secctash
9:30
i know, i am, but this is on pace to take 8 years
the great debates should come later
plaverty12
9:30
you got somewhere to go?
secctash
9:30
no
empire vs. ferris, that should take a while, not this
plaverty12
9:30
okay then, just sit there and drink your scotch
William Springer
9:30
should I get some toasted ravioli?
secctash
9:30
yes
William Springer
9:30
I'm kinda hungry
secctash
9:31
poor will so hurt he can't even drive to fast food
plaverty12
9:31
del taco
secctash
9:31
poor guy
by the way, that 1 pound macho burrito is fucking awesome
plaverty12
9:31
healthy too, i'm sure
secctash
9:31
where'd your pedestal come from?
plaverty12
9:32
i borrowed BMs
secctash
9:32
grumble grumble
William Springer
9:32
why'd you have to say 1 pound mach burrito
secctash
9:33
to prove you can walk
plaverty12
9:33
i guessed will would be on heathers and weisel on FA .... i put BM on FA too, i thought i knew him.
secctash
9:33
like DRS
i'm surprised you pegged me for FA, because before i watched i thought i was heathers
plaverty12
9:34
i know you better than you know yourself
William Springer
9:34
Well, I figured that PL would be heathers.
surprising.
secctash
9:34
no one knows anyone!
plaverty12
9:34
i actually thought i would too
secctash
9:34
PL I have a sinking feeling we're going to be similar on a LOT of movies
plaverty12
9:34
maybe that's affecting my opininon ... high hopes
secctash
9:35
probably because we made a pact before the tourney to have sticks
plaverty12
9:35
also, i can see heathers really being affected by the type of mood your in when you watch it ... not sure i was in the right one.
weisel, if we were characters from the big lebowski, you would definitely been donnie.
secctash
9:35
i'll get you a tow by this afternoon
William Springer
9:35
hahaha
secctash
9:35
toe
jesus
plaverty12
9:36
wrong character too
secctash
9:36
donnie is who?
William Springer
9:36
weisel, literally wandering into movies for the throw-down
DONNIE YOU'RE LIKE A CHILD THAT WANDERS INTO A MOVIE
plaverty12
9:36
haha
William Springer
9:36
Buscemi
secctash
9:36
buschemi?
i hate you guys
William Springer
9:36
at least you're not buscemi in con air
secctash
9:36
yet
i wore a girl for a hat for 4 states
plaverty12
9:37
FA made me want red wine
secctash
9:37
proposed rule: no one uses the word "film" in a condescending tone ever
plaverty12
9:38
what are you talking about?
secctash
9:38
you know what i'm talking about
plaverty12
9:38
i do?
secctash
9:39
yes asshole
plaverty12
9:39
i don't get the reference
secctash
9:39
no reference, i just hate that
"film"
plaverty12
9:40
what does the tone have to do with it?
secctash
9:40
nevermind
i think will understands, but he snuck out to del taco
plaverty12
9:40
i shouldn't have minded in the first place
William Springer
9:40
what
i'm here
secctash
9:40
i think ____ is a great film
William Springer
9:41
he means that it's more pretentious than just saying "movie"
plaverty12
9:41
you know i'm saying that all the time now, right?
secctash
9:41
nevermind, i'm not talking anymore
plaverty12
9:41
why even bring that up?
secctash
9:41
because i hate it
and i thought you were mature enough to respect my wishes
plaverty12
9:41
i think it's a stupid wish
secctash
9:42
it's 86 degrees here
plaverty12
9:42
how warm is it in redding?
secctash
9:42
ventura is way higher ont he list
i'm likely going to go to the ventura and LA interviews and skip redding
plaverty12
9:42
i didn't ask what is higher on the list
secctash
9:43
well i'm not answering the question about the weather in redding
William Springer
9:43
i'm gettin toasted rav.
brb
plaverty12
9:43
well then, this deposition is over ..... will, please copy and send to BM. good night all.
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hi ball. nice beef last night.
je ne sais quoi (french for - I do not know)
I'm not sure that PL or BW made any arguments at all for FA. There was
a lot of flapping in the breeze.
The one thing WS3 should have harped a little more on was the fact
that just because a movie is the original in a "genre" (meaning it is
the first to convey a certain type of climax and denuement in
unraveling of the plot) does not mean that it stands above subsequent
movies (Disclosure, Basic, Derailed, and even Match Point, amongst
others). What immediately strikes me is how these other movies stem to
shape the original and morph the originals, its concepts and ideals,
into something they were not original perceived to be. In short do to
the trend of movies subsequent, in both the 90s, 2000s, and even as
recent as a couple of years ago, this movie has really become blaise
and there is nothing memorable or outstanding for which it to hang its
hat on. When you get down to it, this once original and somewhat racy
"film" has been affected by the string of movies to follow in its wake
and has not stood the test of time and it now no more than a glorified
"What About Bob."
Also, interesting trivia about Heathers, which IF it won would make
good writeup material, is that Kim Walker (Heather Chandler (the first
one to die by drinking poison)) had the memorable quote "did you eat a
brain tumor for breakfast." As it turns out, circa 1999, Kim Walker
died from a brain tumor. Whats good for the goose is good for the
gander, no?
In sum, I am pretty well set on Heathers, mostly because I haven't
heard a decent argument for FA other than weisel smothering himself
with popcorn, carelessly tossing greasy kernels in his mouth purely
enjoying the entertainment value of the movie (think idiocracy where
dax is sitting in a pile of trash watching a guy get hit in the
balls).
My vote: Fatal Attraction
Level of conviction: Mild
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2-2. PL I'm with you, but with stronger conviction.
Boys, your pathway to winning for heathers is through convincing PL.
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On May 13, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Patrick Laverty wrote:
My vote: Fatal Attraction
Level of conviction: Mild
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Well, fuck me gently with a chainsaw .. we've got our first 2-2.
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On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Brian Weisel wrote:
2-2. PL I'm with you, but with stronger conviction.
Boys, your pathway to winning for heathers is through convincing PL.
On May 13, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Patrick Laverty wrote:
My vote: Fatal Attraction
Level of conviction: Mild
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I was convinced Weisel had a brain tumor for breakfast.
My thoughts are this - I like the style of Heathers, and it is different than the myriad other 80s teen/highschool movies. It's not especially "deep" although for some reason people want to make it so. It is, however, a little bit out there...it has a little bite to it, it likes to surf on the lunatic fringe at times, and I like me some Winona.
As for Fatal Attraction: I don't particularly feel than it is anything more than a good movie. It's a good movie! But it's faceless in the crowd of...shit, OTHER michael douglas movies! How many times has he played this character? The Game. The Perfect Murder. Fatal Attraction. Yeah it flipped the tables and struck home with many men in the morally bankrupt 80s, but other than a few shocking (for the time) scenes, it's a pretty standard thriller. That kid is creepy too, what is he/she.
Anyway, Heathers has kept it's identity over the years, whereas I think Fatal Attraction is a VGMWMDPAL - Very Good Movie Where Michael Douglas Plays a Lawyer
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Well, fuck me gently with a chainsaw .. we've got our first 2-2.
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Brian Weisel wrote:
2-2. PL I'm with you, but with stronger conviction.
Boys, your pathway to winning for heathers is through convincing PL.
On May 13, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Patrick Laverty wrote:
My vote: Fatal Attraction
Level of conviction: Mild
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Thanks to william for typecasting MD as the VGMWMDPAL. that has to be archived on the site for this vote. in fact, i nominate springer for the recap post, no matter the outcome.
for the record, will and bm seem quite convinced heathers wins, pl seems mildly convinced of FA and I'm 70% FA. so I think this eventually means a heathers win, but we need more discussion.
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On May 13, 2008, at 8:30 PM, William Springer wrote:
> I was convinced Weisel had a brain tumor for breakfast.
>
> My thoughts are this - I like the style of Heathers, and it is different than the myriad other 80s teen/highschool movies. It's not especially "deep" although for some reason people want to make it so. It is, however, a little bit out there...it has a little bite to it, it likes to surf on the lunatic fringe at times, and I like me some Winona.
>
> As for Fatal Attraction: I don't particularly feel than it is anything more than a good movie. It's a good movie! But it's faceless in the crowd of...shit, OTHER michael douglas movies! How many times has he played this character? The Game. The Perfect Murder. Fatal Attraction. Yeah it flipped the tables and struck home with many men in the morally bankrupt 80s, but other than a few shocking (for the time) scenes, it's a pretty standard thriller. That kid is creepy too, what is he/she.
>
> Anyway, Heathers has kept it's identity over the years, whereas I think Fatal Attraction is a VGMWMDPAL - Very Good Movie Where Michael Douglas Plays a Lawyer
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Patrick Laverty wrote:
>
> Well, fuck me gently with a chainsaw .. we've got our first 2-2.
>
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Brian Weisel wrote:
>
> 2-2. PL I'm with you, but with stronger conviction.
>
> Boys, your pathway to winning for heathers is through convincing PL.
>
>
> On May 13, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Patrick Laverty wrote:
>
> My vote: Fatal Attraction
>
> Level of conviction: Mild
>
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Here's what I thought: Heathers made an attempt to stick out from the 80s/teen movies and I liked the attempt, but it just didn't come together for me .... i likened it to a darker, more disturbed mean girls. With the type of movie it is, I think I should have some desire to watch it again, but I don't. It really just didn't captivate me that much and too often, I found myself looking at the clock, counting down until the movie was over. The acting was pretty subpar and despite having Shannen Doherty, I was actually more please with another character from 90210....
... that character was Mr. Walsh, who I swear was basically an extra in the early Japanese restaurant scene in FA, who also ran into MD's friend, spilling the champagne. FA didn't overwhelm me either but as you say, it's a VGM(lots more letters added). I think it's impact was much greater than Heathers, ask Will's parents and their friends ... even now, knowing the story line, 20 years later, i'm thinking about keeping my dick in my pants. The rabbit has definitely had an iconic image after the film ... hell, I had never seen the film and I joked with Weisel about Baxter killing his rabbits. After getting over the fact that Glenn Close was really unattractive and the debate over the sex of MDs child (which it seems we all had) ... I enjoyed the film. Was it great? No. But it holds up decently over time and I think was more of an enjoyment than Heathers.
In the long run, I don't see either film going far, but in my mind the impact of the film at the time it came out and its resonance today brings it over the top in this matchup.
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I was convinced Weisel had a brain tumor for breakfast.
My thoughts are this - I like the style of Heathers, and it is different than the myriad other 80s teen/highschool movies. It's not especially "deep" although for some reason people want to make it so. It is, however, a little bit out there...it has a little bite to it, it likes to surf on the lunatic fringe at times, and I like me some Winona.
As for Fatal Attraction: I don't particularly feel than it is anything more than a good movie. It's a good movie! But it's faceless in the crowd of...shit, OTHER michael douglas movies! How many times has he played this character? The Game. The Perfect Murder. Fatal Attraction. Yeah it flipped the tables and struck home with many men in the morally bankrupt 80s, but other than a few shocking (for the time) scenes, it's a pretty standard thriller. That kid is creepy too, what is he/she.
Anyway, Heathers has kept it's identity over the years, whereas I think Fatal Attraction is a VGMWMDPAL - Very Good Movie Where Michael Douglas Plays a Lawyer
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Patrick Laverty wrote:
Well, fuck me gently with a chainsaw .. we've got our first 2-2.
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Brian Weisel wrote:
2-2. PL I'm with you, but with stronger conviction.
Boys, your pathway to winning for heathers is through convincing PL.
On May 13, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Patrick Laverty wrote:
My vote: Fatal Attraction
Level of conviction: Mild
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Don't assume things Weisel.
Brian Weisel said:
busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some real arguments.
And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre" argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer wrote:
Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
Blah day here looks like ill be around
On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
> morning ball.
>
> looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a brief
> response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
> arguments here in this forum, no?
>
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please read the authors self-definition of "genre" again bw.
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
> busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
>
> i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some real
> arguments.
>
> And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre"
> argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer
> wrote:
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>> Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
>>
>> Blah day here looks like ill be around
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>>
>>
>> On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
>> > morning ball.
>> >
>> > looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a brief
>> > response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
>> > arguments here in this forum, no?
>> >
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Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought. Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine, I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse kick to the nads by pointing out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
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busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some real arguments.
And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre" argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer wrote:
Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
Blah day here looks like ill be around
On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
> morning ball.
>
> looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a brief
> response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
> arguments here in this forum, no?
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Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the first time in weeks?
I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I have stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not going to tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty, and I still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most notably Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high on the unintentional comedy scale.
I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer wrote:
Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought. Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine, I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse kick to the nads by pointing out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some real arguments.
And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre" argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer wrote:
Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
Blah day here looks like ill be around
On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
> morning ball.
>
> looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a brief
> response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
> arguments here in this forum, no?
>
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*were very high on unintentional comedy
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the first time in weeks?
I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I have stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not going to tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty, and I still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most notably Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high on the unintentional comedy scale.
I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer wrote:
Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought. Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine, I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse kick to the nads by pointing out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some real arguments.
And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre" argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer wrote:
Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
Blah day here looks like ill be around
On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
> morning ball.
>
> looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a brief
> response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
> arguments here in this forum, no?
>
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You didn't answer the question, Mr. Food for Thought.
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the first time in weeks?
I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I have stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not going to tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty, and I still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most notably Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high on the unintentional comedy scale.
I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer wrote:
Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought. Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine, I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse kick to the nads by pointing out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some real arguments.
And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre" argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer wrote:
Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
Blah day here looks like ill be around
On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
> morning ball.
>
> looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a brief
> response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
> arguments here in this forum, no?
>
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And you keep bringing up one Scene with Slater. Shall I cherry pick a few awful scenes in FA? I agree, an absurd scene, but I again say it is intentionally absurd. Now, you say "the few places" and then run away. Be specific. You're just throwing a ton of shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
*were very high on unintentional comedy
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the first time in weeks?
I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I have stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not going to tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty, and I still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most notably Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high on the unintentional comedy scale.
I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer wrote:
Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought. Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine, I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse kick to the nads by pointing out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel wrote:
busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some real arguments.
And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre" argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer wrote:
Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
Blah day here looks like ill be around
On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
> morning ball.
>
> looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a brief
> response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
> arguments here in this forum, no?
>
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do u believe in heaven bw? are u saying u do not often ponder the
existence of an afterlife.
i figured as much
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM, William Springer wrote:
> And you keep bringing up one Scene with Slater. Shall I cherry pick a few
> awful scenes in FA? I agree, an absurd scene, but I again say it is
> intentionally absurd. Now, you say "the few places" and then run away. Be
> specific. You're just throwing a ton of shit against the wall and seeing
> what sticks.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
> wrote:
>>
>> *were very high on unintentional comedy
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the
>>> first time in weeks?
>>>
>>> I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both
>>> because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because
>>> I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I have
>>> stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not going to
>>> tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still
>>> strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty, and I
>>> still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most notably
>>> Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high on the
>>> unintentional comedy scale.
>>>
>>> I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought.
>>>> Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your
>>>> "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine,
>>>> I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
>>>>
>>>> I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse
>>>> kick to the nads by pointing out
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched
>>>> unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
>>>>>
>>>>> i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some
>>>>> real arguments.
>>>>>
>>>>> And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre"
>>>>> argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blah day here looks like ill be around
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
>>>>>> > morning ball.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a
>>>>>> > brief
>>>>>> > response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
>>>>>> > arguments here in this forum, no?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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yea i still have no idea what FA's argument is for a good movie.
i think bw said because it "scarred" him. is that it?
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Michalek wrote:
> do u believe in heaven bw? are u saying u do not often ponder the
> existence of an afterlife.
>
> i figured as much
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM, William Springer wrote:
>> And you keep bringing up one Scene with Slater. Shall I cherry pick a few
>> awful scenes in FA? I agree, an absurd scene, but I again say it is
>> intentionally absurd. Now, you say "the few places" and then run away. Be
>> specific. You're just throwing a ton of shit against the wall and seeing
>> what sticks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *were very high on unintentional comedy
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the
>>>> first time in weeks?
>>>>
>>>> I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both
>>>> because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because
>>>> I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I have
>>>> stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not going to
>>>> tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still
>>>> strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty, and I
>>>> still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most notably
>>>> Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high on the
>>>> unintentional comedy scale.
>>>>
>>>> I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought.
>>>>> Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your
>>>>> "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine,
>>>>> I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
>>>>>
>>>>> I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse
>>>>> kick to the nads by pointing out
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched
>>>>> unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some
>>>>>> real arguments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre"
>>>>>> argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blah day here looks like ill be around
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
>>>>>>> > morning ball.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a
>>>>>>> > brief
>>>>>>> > response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
>>>>>>> > arguments here in this forum, no?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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/liberal atheist
I think God is a quaint little thing that people that are STUPIDER than me cling to. I am so liberal and open-minded. Until someone disagrees with me! Spaghetti Monster! Hah, take that you religious nutbag!
/liberal atheist
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Brian Michalek wrote:
do u believe in heaven bw? are u saying u do not often ponder the
existence of an afterlife.
i figured as much
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM, William Springer wrote:
> And you keep bringing up one Scene with Slater. Shall I cherry pick a few
> awful scenes in FA? I agree, an absurd scene, but I again say it is
> intentionally absurd. Now, you say "the few places" and then run away. Be
> specific. You're just throwing a ton of shit against the wall and seeing
> what sticks.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
> wrote:
>>
>> *were very high on unintentional comedy
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the
>>> first time in weeks?
>>>
>>> I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both
>>> because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because
>>> I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I have
>>> stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not going to
>>> tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still
>>> strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty, and I
>>> still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most notably
>>> Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high on the
>>> unintentional comedy scale.
>>>
>>> I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought.
>>>> Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your
>>>> "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine,
>>>> I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
>>>>
>>>> I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse
>>>> kick to the nads by pointing out
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched
>>>> unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
>>>>>
>>>>> i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some
>>>>> real arguments.
>>>>>
>>>>> And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre"
>>>>> argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blah day here looks like ill be around
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
>>>>>> > morning ball.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a
>>>>>> > brief
>>>>>> > response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
>>>>>> > arguments here in this forum, no?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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::sits back and feels sorry for religious people, very smugly::
heh....no big deal, I'm enlightened.
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:09 AM, William Springer wrote:
/liberal atheist
I think God is a quaint little thing that people that are STUPIDER than me cling to. I am so liberal and open-minded. Until someone disagrees with me! Spaghetti Monster! Hah, take that you religious nutbag!
/liberal atheist
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Brian Michalek wrote:
do u believe in heaven bw? are u saying u do not often ponder the
existence of an afterlife.
i figured as much
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM, William Springer wrote:
> And you keep bringing up one Scene with Slater. Shall I cherry pick a few
> awful scenes in FA? I agree, an absurd scene, but I again say it is
> intentionally absurd. Now, you say "the few places" and then run away. Be
> specific. You're just throwing a ton of shit against the wall and seeing
> what sticks.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
> wrote:
>>
>> *were very high on unintentional comedy
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the
>>> first time in weeks?
>>>
>>> I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both
>>> because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because
>>> I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I have
>>> stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not going to
>>> tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still
>>> strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty, and I
>>> still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most notably
>>> Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high on the
>>> unintentional comedy scale.
>>>
>>> I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for thought.
>>>> Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was your
>>>> "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring to, fine,
>>>> I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
>>>>
>>>> I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a roundhouse
>>>> kick to the nads by pointing out
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually watched
>>>> unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
>>>>>
>>>>> i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made some
>>>>> real arguments.
>>>>>
>>>>> And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a genre"
>>>>> argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blah day here looks like ill be around
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
>>>>>> > morning ball.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a
>>>>>> > brief
>>>>>> > response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
>>>>>> > arguments here in this forum, no?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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HAHAH. will is already making a strong play for MVSM (most valuable
softball member) today!
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:09 AM, William Springer wrote:
> ::sits back and feels sorry for religious people, very smugly::
>
> heh....no big deal, I'm enlightened.
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:09 AM, William Springer
> wrote:
>>
>> /liberal atheist
>>
>> I think God is a quaint little thing that people that are STUPIDER than me
>> cling to. I am so liberal and open-minded. Until someone disagrees with
>> me! Spaghetti Monster! Hah, take that you religious nutbag!
>>
>> /liberal atheist
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Brian Michalek
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> do u believe in heaven bw? are u saying u do not often ponder the
>>> existence of an afterlife.
>>>
>>> i figured as much
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM, William Springer
>>> wrote:
>>> > And you keep bringing up one Scene with Slater. Shall I cherry pick a
>>> > few
>>> > awful scenes in FA? I agree, an absurd scene, but I again say it is
>>> > intentionally absurd. Now, you say "the few places" and then run away.
>>> > Be
>>> > specific. You're just throwing a ton of shit against the wall and
>>> > seeing
>>> > what sticks.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> *were very high on unintentional comedy
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> first time in weeks?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway,
>>> >>> both
>>> >>> because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and
>>> >>> because
>>> >>> I think the two camps can't really agree on that issue, and think I
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> stronger reasons why Heathers just isn't all that good. I am not
>>> >>> going to
>>> >>> tell you guys that FA is awesome, it really isn't, but Heathers still
>>> >>> strikes me as too contrived...trying a little too hard to be witty,
>>> >>> and I
>>> >>> still challenge the Heathers camp to defend the few places (most
>>> >>> notably
>>> >>> Christian Slater crying about going to heaven) that weren't very high
>>> >>> on the
>>> >>> unintentional comedy scale.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I gotta be off for now, but it looks to be a great softball day.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, William Springer
>>> >>>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Yes...the rotten cheese or stale piece of pizza for food for
>>> >>>> thought.
>>> >>>> Are you trying to say that whatever it was about Donnie Darko was
>>> >>>> your
>>> >>>> "beginning the genre" argument? If that is what your'e referring
>>> >>>> to, fine,
>>> >>>> I disagree. If not, what are you referring to?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I also debunked PL's "beginning the genre" argument with a
>>> >>>> roundhouse
>>> >>>> kick to the nads by pointing out
>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_Misty_For_Me which I actually
>>> >>>> watched
>>> >>>> unrelated to the throw down about a month or so ago.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Brian Weisel
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> busy morning for me, but i'll do what i can.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> i appreciate bm with an argument but i think PL and I both made
>>> >>>>> some
>>> >>>>> real arguments.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> And funny that the "FA isn't that good just because it started a
>>> >>>>> genre"
>>> >>>>> argument is exactly what I said about Heathers. Food for thought,
>>> >>>>> no?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 AM, William Springer
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Nice retort BM really cut those fa lovers down to size.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Blah day here looks like ill be around
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 5/14/08, Brian Michalek wrote:
>>> >>>>>> > morning ball.
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> > looks like a good beef last night after i went to bed. i wrote a
>>> >>>>>> > brief
>>> >>>>>> > response to the thread but shall we direct the rest of the movie
>>> >>>>>> > arguments here in this forum, no?
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>
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Busy today ... won't be on softball much ... and all you two have done is attack FA, rather than argue why Heathers is a bona fide good movie, which I just didn't think it was.
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:09 AM, William Springer wrote:
::sits back and feels sorry for religious people, very smugly::
heh....no big deal, I'm enlightened.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:09 AM, William Springer wrote:
/liberal atheist
I think God is a quaint little thing that people that are STUPIDER than me cling to. I am so liberal and open-minded. Until someone disagrees with me! Spaghetti Monster! Hah, take that you religious nutbag!
/liberal atheist
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Brian Michalek wrote:
do u believe in heaven bw? are u saying u do not often ponder the
existence of an afterlife.
i figured as much
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM, William Springer wrote:
> And you keep bringing up one Scene with Slater. Shall I cherry pick a few
> awful scenes in FA? I agree, an absurd scene, but I again say it is
> intentionally absurd. Now, you say "the few places" and then run away. Be
> specific. You're just throwing a ton of shit against the wall and seeing
> what sticks.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
> wrote:
>>
>> *were very high on unintentional comedy
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Brian Weisel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why I gotta go to court just when softball starts to get spicy for the
>>> first time in weeks?
>>>
>>> I think whatever genre argument isn't a fruitful discussion anyway, both
>>> because the definition of genre can be argued for no real reason and because |
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